October 26th - M.A.G. Meeting

[Duck]

Thank you for the meeting notes. I was unable to attend due to the fact that i had to drive to portland to get my kid from his mothers. I agree with all point except the apointing of one person to have say over MAG business. This was one of the downfalls of NORCOM and i would hate for this to happen again.

I am only voicing what i have seen and feel. Please do not take this as a attack on anyone.

When MAG was formed, it was desided that no one person would have control over the group as to keep everyone honest. I am not saying that anyone would abuse the power as you might put it. I just think that if we change our way of working things then we might just be setting our selves up for failure.

Once again, I am attacking no one and only wish to speak my mind on the topic above.

P.S.  Just inform all reading, Tactical AirSoft ,The Founders of air soft in maine, did not have any intentions of any thing like this happening. If a person thinks they have the knowladge to run MAG and everybody elses team, what says that one person has the capiblity of running MAG as one person. It takes more then one person to make a united desition for all teams(MAG-Maine Airsoft Group)was designed to allow all teams to have equal say in the runnings if the group . This statement was given to me to post here so that all will understand the position that T.A. as on this desition.

[Tom]

i'm pretty sure he isn't just gonna decide what every team is gonna do hands down, thus far it's been as simple as getting the teams together, and having them discuss, and getting online so that many more can discuss.  I think you might've missed the point, and since Smoke sets all this up, who better to spear-head these decisions, no one else is willing to, he is, he has the smarts, the technology, and devotes his time to this cause, and that's why he was elected to run.

[Duck]

The quetion is run what?

all of MAG or the meetings?

[The_Stove]

If Smoke was to run this entire show then it would not be call the Maine Airsoft GROUP. He has done a excellent job of calling meetings, setting them up, keeping them on track, and making sure that everyone has a say in what is happening. This is not now and will never be a dictatorship

[Smoke]

Duck, I think you do not have a firm understanding of what you are disagreeing with yet. It was put very clearly in multiple places and explained during the meeting that the Chairperson is not someone who is in a leadership/decision making position. The role is simply to keep the meetings running smoothly. If you took the time to research that we could have advoided this.

[The_Stove]

I quote Smoke from the topic "M.A.G. Board Structure" still viewable in the general MAG section:

Thats not exactly my proposal, but has some key points. I don't think we need to follow Robert's rules to the letter, or vote on every little item. What I think we need now is:

1) A Chairperson who organizes the meetings, prepares the agenda, makes sure everyone knows the meeting is happening and then keeps the meeting flowing during the meeting by discussing the issue and looking for input from the members in an orderly fashion.

2) Team reps that are comitted to attending the meetings or finding someone to attend on their behalf. This person would be in charge of bringing any issues and/or news related to their team and then relaying meeting information back to their teams after the meeting.

3) A clerk that will take notes and/or record the meeting so that members who do not attend will be able to see what was discussed and so that it can be reviewed at the next meeting.

[Fishman]

first off i want to start out to congratulate Smoke on becomeing chairperson.  i just want to point out the above statement about basically what a chairperson does.
1.  set MAG meeting dates and times
2.  make sure all teams involved in MAG recognize said dates and times
3.  set up topics structure in said meeting
4.  provide a diplomatic approach to topic discussions and decision making
5.  make sure every person present at said meeting has a say in said decision making
6.  in the event of a tie make best possible decision that best suit majority of teams/people involved

Since jason does all this anyway i feel he is the perfect candidate to fit the bill.  also i want to point out that he will have no say in decision making unless there is a tie.  the purpose of chairperson is to help the meeting to run better faster and more diplomatic.  Jasons election was unanimous by 8+ people including savage who took part in the meeting.  you may have your say but you must attend the meeting to be recognized

[Fishman]

if the meeting time and date conflict with any persons schedule please see the chair person and he will do his best to accommodate you.  the next MAG meeting is nov. 23.  i'll be there with me notebook =D

[Duck]

I would like to state that i have read the above and would like to say that i agree with the meeting. He is the right person to run the meetings. I do not think that anyone person should be able to make desitions on the field about games rules. all players should make the choices. I am in no way against the chairperson position. I am glad that we now have a person to keep the meetings on topic and running smoothly. My post only showed my concerns and how i had seen the choices.

MAG still wants players to voice opinions right?
If not i will not post my opinions.

[The_Stove]

also i want to point out that he will have no say in decision making unless there is a tie.

As far as i know this is not true, Smoke still has the ability to vote and make make decisions.

[Smoke]

All players are more then welcome to voice opinions, and everyone is encourage to do so at the meetings because thats where decisions happen. Your post, in my opinion, seemed to be arguing a decision that you did not fully understand and that is what the issue was. I recommend that everyone try to talk/research any decision/rule/etc before arguing the point.

[TeFinete]

P.S.  Just inform all reading, Tactical AirSoft ,The Founders of air soft in maine, did not have any intentions of any thing like this happening. If a person thinks they have the knowladge to run MAG and everybody elses team, what says that one person has the capiblity of running MAG as one person. It takes more then one person to make a united desition for all teams(MAG-Maine Airsoft Group)was designed to allow all teams to have equal say in the runnings if the group . This statement was given to me to post here so that all will understand the position that T.A. as on this desition.

I'm gonna be honest, I am very greatful for everything 'T.A.' has done for us in the past, but until a time comes when 'T.A.' starts showing back up or at least proves to the rest of us that they still do care about airsoft(even a little would be nice), why should we care what they think?

[Smoke]

I too appreciate what TA did, but at the same time they were not the only people playing Airsoft and have since ceased being activly involved in the community which is completely fine, no one can stay forever.

That being said we need to focus on making the game work for those that are involved and stay active with meetings, games, etc. This is who is playing and this is who should be making the decisions. The concept of MAG was created by multiple players and teams, some of which are still involved today. We are on the right course and I personally believe that the majority of players involved are very happy with the way things are going.